Tuesday, January 18, 2005


Please read and forward. - The major media other than the NY Post is too sissy to print/report this. - prying1

From the NY Post - January 16, 2005
-- The father of a murdered New Jersey family was threatened for making anti-Muslim remarks online — and the gruesome quadruple slaying may have been the hateful retaliation, sources told The Post yesterday.

Hossam Armanious, 47, who along with his wife and two daughters was found stabbed to death in his Jersey City home early Friday, would regularly debate religion in a Middle Eastern chat room, one source said.

Armanious, an Egyptian Christian, was well known for expressing his Coptic beliefs and engaging in fiery back-and-forth with Muslims on the Web site paltalk.com.

He "had the reputation for being one of the most outspoken Egyptian Christians," said the source, who had close ties to the family.

The source, who had knowledge of the investigation, refused to specify the anti-Muslim statement. But he said cops told him they were looking into the exchanges as a possible motive.

The married father of two had recently been threatened by Muslim members of the Web site, said a fellow Copt and store clerk who uses the chat

"You'd better stop this bull---- or we are going to track you down like a chicken and kill you," was the threat, said the clerk, who was online at the time and saw the exchange.

But Armanious refused to back down, according to two sources who use the Web site.

Jersey City Mayor Jerramiah Healy would neither confirm nor deny that cops and prosecutors were looking into the religion motive, saying only that "nothing is being ruled out." But a relative of the mayor who answered the phone at Healy's home said there was information the murders were "religion-related."

"There are several theories we are looking into, but we are not commenting on any of them at this time," said Hudson County Assistant Prosecutor Guy Gregory.

Armanious' fervor apparently rubbed off on his daughter, Sylvia — who would have turned 16 yesterday.

"She was very religious and very opinionated," said Jessica Cimino, 15, a fellow sophomore at Dickenson HS.

A family member who viewed photos of the bloodbath said Sylvia seemed to have taken the most savage punishment.

"When we saw the pictures, you could tell that they were hurt really, really bad in the face; especially Sylvia," said Milad Garas, the high-school sophomore's great-uncle.

The heartless killer not only slit Sylvia's throat, but also sliced a huge gash in her chest and stabbed her in the wrist, where she had a tattoo of a Coptic cross.

Also found murdered were the wife, Amal Garas, and the parents' other daughter, Monica.

Fred Ayed, the deacon at St. George and St. Shenouda Church, where the deeply religious family attended services, said he's worried that the murders could have a ripple effect.

"I am concerned for the safety of our community," said Ayed, who knew Hossam for 30 years. "People are scared because one family was slain like cows," said Moheb Ghabour, publisher of a local newspaper for the Coptic community.

Osama Hassan, director of the Islamic Center of Jersey City, described the relationship between Copts and Muslims as cooperative if not friendly.

"I think there might be people that can get into physical fights, but not to the point of murder," Hassan said.

Both the deacon and uncle poured cold water on the theory that the family were the victims of a robbery gone wrong.

"This is not a robbery, Ayed said. "We found all of the jewelry in the house. They didn't take anything."

The FBI confirmed it has been called in to help with the case.

Additional reporting by Heather Gilmore
----End NY Post Article ---------

CBS Report

Where is the 'Main Stream Media' on this? I type into Google - Hossam Armanious "Los Angeles Times" - and I came up with 29 hits. None of them near the Times website. - They at the Times are going to learn someday that People want unfiltered news. - By the time John Carroll has his flunkys rewrite the story so no one's feelings get hurt Everyone will already have heard the story from the internet..

I'm wondering however if the tables had been turned and it had been a Muslim murdered how much front page space would the L.A. Times have given it?

Prying1's opinion - Even if this story proves to be untrue this is what the war in Iraq is fighting against. The hatred many Muslims have for Christians/non Muslims is so deep that they kill because of it. This story in NJ, yet to be proven for the guilty have yet to be found, is similar to proven and true events in Iraq, the Philippines, Israel and points world wide.

I'm waiting for the 'real' God fearing Muslims to stand upand shout "Enough!" and get the murderous pigs out of their Muslim religion. If they want their religion to be respected they had better stop being afraid and disclose who the terrorists are. I want to see the 'real' God fearing Muslims help put the murderous pigs into jail or the ground. Of course putting them in jail leaves room for their friends to kidnap and kill while demanding the release of their buddies. Sending them to their '72 virgins' may be the best bet.

Update: It was discovered that the murderers were not Muslums but upstairs neighbors commiting a robbery. (See Wikipedia article here) Two paroled drug dealers bound, gagged and stabbed Armanious and his family because Armanious's daughter recognized one of the neighbors during the robbery.

prying1 still registers the same complaint against the MSM and still would like to see the 'real' God fearing Muslims help put the murderous pigs into jail or the ground.